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« Thread started on: Dec 1st, 2017, 08:50am »

Is it currently possible to run a program I have made on a mac os?

I saw that there was a plan a while back to have the new version be compatible, is this the case? thanks
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 1st, 2017, 10:42am »

Hi, did you make a JB program on the mac os?
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 1st, 2017, 11:06am »

No I do not have a mac. I am making a program in JB on windows but was wondering if it can be distributed to a person using mac. I dont have a way to test it since I dont have a mac but is it even possible.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 1st, 2017, 12:42pm »

Ah, things are making more sense now.

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... I saw that there was a plan a while back to have the new version be compatible, is this the case? thanks


I don't remember such a plan discussed here in JB, it sounds more like an LB kind of wish list thing... Do you have a link to refresh my memory?

I can't remember if Virtual machines were discussed here or at another forum and I am no expert but I have heard it is possible to run things made in one OS like Windows and run them in another like mac by way of a Virtual machine. It is possible but could be a bit of learning and procuring effort.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 1st, 2017, 12:49pm »

in hindsight you are right they were talking about lb and that was in 2008

so...do programs made with LB currently work with mac? if not no reason to upgrade since program is done and works fine as is

I cant reasonably expect people that get the program to run it not on their native os
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 1st, 2017, 1:35pm »

Short answer is no. You can run programs under wine, but that would require some effort at the user end to establish a wine environment. So ok for playing yourself but not for general distribution.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 2nd, 2017, 10:41am »

Most of the time I run JB and LB under Wine on my Linux machines. Anyone able to install a Linux program can easily install Wine, free.

It should be equally easy on Macs- but I don't have one to try.

Carl's LB site FAQs have the rather misleading
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Q: Can I use Liberty BASIC on my Mac or Linux computer?
A: Current versions of Liberty BASIC work only on Windows, but Liberty BASIC version 5 which is actively being developed will work on Windows, Mac OSX and Linux.

LB5 is still far-off. But LB and JB run nicely on Linux/Wine.

I'm not sure if you are talking of distributing as a *.bas file, or as a *.exe. Running LB *.bas programs under Wine on Linux is easy. I've had no particular need or wish to try LB *.tkn files as an executable package. I assume you use JB- but are you on the beta v2 version to make this possibility relevant??

I ought to try running tkn/runtime environment under Wine some time I'm not busy....
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 2nd, 2017, 2:54pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2017, 10:41am, tenochtitlanuk ( John F) wrote:
It should be equally easy on Macs- but I don't have one to try.

Apple have announced that the next release of Mac OS will no longer support 32-bit apps, so it won't be long before LB & JB won't work, even under Wine.

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 2nd, 2017, 5:40pm »

The OP DID say
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s it currently possible to run a program I have made on a mac os?
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And to think my first programming was on 8 bits and 256 BYTES of RAM.. Boy time does pass..
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 3rd, 2017, 05:14am »

on Dec 2nd, 2017, 5:40pm, tenochtitlanuk ( John F) wrote:
The OP DID say...

Even though the OP said "currently" he may not wish to go to the trouble of installing Wine if it will in any case stop working when he next updates the OS (especially as it is not easy to install Wine on Mac OS).

A more straightforward way of getting JB or LB to run on a Mac, at least for a while, is to install CrossOver or Parallels, but unlike Wine they are not free.

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And to think my first programming was on 8 bits and 256 BYTES of RAM.

8 bits? Youngster! The first microprocessor I programmed was an Intel 4004, a 4-bit processor.

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« Reply #10 on: Dec 3rd, 2017, 2:47pm »

The first computer I ever built was analog, rheostats and meters. No bits whatsoever!

I have to say that if 32 bit isn't supported they may lose a lot of followers. I am still enjoying Paint Shop Pro V veryold. It has taken a lifetime to understand how it works and if anyone ever introduced an OS that didn't support it I would simply not upgrade.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 3rd, 2017, 2:59pm »

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and if anyone ever introduced an OS that didn't support it I would simply not upgrade.


Virtual machine might help.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 4th, 2017, 06:42am »

on Dec 3rd, 2017, 2:47pm, Rod wrote:
The first computer I ever built was analog, rheostats and meters. No bits whatsoever!

I was careful to refer to the first 'microprocessor' I programmed, not 'computer'. I had programmed mainframe and minicomputers before that.

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 4th, 2017, 12:10pm »

Hey, old-timers! What's your earlliest computer-related experiences?

Taking the lead acid battery for my grandparents radio to be charged at the garage- about 1952. The HT was a 90V battery...
Finding old valve radios and finding out what those weird moving-vane capacitors were. 1958ish...
Cannibalizing valve b&w TVs to make one that worked- about 1961
Gas-filled thyratron valve bistables- and ones based on ordinary neons.
Two transistor ( germanium red-spots) bistables and bits from Gee's Radio shop in Cambridge- about 1959 on
Bell Telephone Brainiac. 1968. A complete cpmputer based on perforated card sliders. DO LOOK IT UP on wikipedia etc.. I've still got mine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARDboard_Illustrative_Aid_to_Computation
Teletyping code for Cambridges's Titan- in an early version of Fortran-- 1967/8
First integrated DTL and RTL circuits- Texas Instruments RTL logic. 914,923, etc??
First microprocesser was an 1802 I wired point-to-point
And then on to PETs, BBC micro, Atari ST, etc.

When will I be able to stop?
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 4th, 2017, 2:30pm »

My early interests were radio controlled models. At that time it was all mechanical. Either “galloping ghost”. Which was essentially a pulse width modulation method of transferring information. Rapid pulses raised the elevator slow pulses lowered it. Short pulses gave left rudder long pulses gave right rudder. The control surfaces vibrated all the time but the model responded.

Now each remote control is a super complex computer in itself. It sends multiple servo commands and receives multiple telemetry data about airspeed, height, battery condition and GPS location data.

Liberty BASIC stands me in good stead to understand these transmitters.
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