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Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tsh73 on Feb 13th, 2012, 01:00am

The link from a front page Official Just BASIC Newsletter opens to page with "This Account Has Been Suspended" message.
Is JB newsletters gone?
Could that account be resumed?
If not, may be someone has a backup - to made them available say on JB Wiki?
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Rod on Feb 13th, 2012, 02:25am

By and large most of the important code demos have been ported to the Liberty Wiki. Also a lot of the newsletter code either worked round gaps that were filled in later upgrades to Liberty or were coded for 16bit windows calls.

We have been expecting its demise for some time.

Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Stefan Pendl on Feb 13th, 2012, 02:47am

The account and contents are gone, since we didn't have full control over it.
I even can't remember who has set it up.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Rod on Feb 13th, 2012, 05:10am

oops, sorry I assumed the Liberty Newsletters but the story is still the same.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tsh73 on Feb 13th, 2012, 07:48am

Quote:
oops, sorry I assumed the Liberty Newsletters but the story is still the same.

Nope, it was JB information, no API.
Today I've seen request about multiple timers - I remembered reading article by Welopez, I did a search and got a link to it
Worbles Around the Water Cooler
But it's gone!
What a shame, really.

*after while*
Ok I did a little search
Alexa points to Whois search, it says (among others):

Domain name: jbasicnews.com

Administrative Contact:
Homeport West
John Davidson (admin@homeportwest.com)

Have anybody heard something from John?
His las post was from 03 Apr 2011
(may be someone lives nearby? that page have some contact information )
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Stefan Pendl on Feb 13th, 2012, 1:56pm

John has been in touch with one of the LB forum staff members.
He has to work out some personal issues and has no access to the Internet currently.

May be we can get some of the content through the way-back-machine and add it to the Wiki, if we get the permission from the initial authors.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Stefan Pendl on Feb 14th, 2012, 03:10am

The newsletter can be accessed through http://web.archive.org/web/20110202221915/http://jbasicnews.com/

Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tsh73 on Feb 14th, 2012, 1:36pm

Now, that's great.
The question is - could we count it be there forever (well, no more then any other site?) or it is still worth to take a full backup and repost it to JB wiki?
I do not think much about "violating license" stuff - here it will be kind of "rescue operation": since original site is down, isn't it straightforward to move it to another server?

Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Stefan Pendl on Feb 14th, 2012, 3:59pm

I don't know, if it will be there forever, since I haven't read the TOS of the way back machine.

I wouldn't republish an article without the permission of the original author, despite of it being a rescue or not.

I haven't checked out the list of authors, so I haven't contacted anyone at all.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by AlyceWatson on Feb 15th, 2012, 05:15am

on Feb 14th, 2012, 3:59pm, Stefan Pendl wrote:
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I wouldn't republish an article without the permission of the original author, despite of it being a rescue or not.

I haven't checked out the list of authors, so I haven't contacted anyone at all.


I looked at the TOS for your newsletter. Individual authors retain copyrights to their articles, but the "newsletter publishing team" has copyrighted the issues. I *think* this means you have the right to republish the issues, but not the individual articles. If you put aside a section of the wiki for newsletter issues and copy entire issues there, you should be okay.

The Liberty BASIC Newsletter had a TOS that specifically stated that the publishers could republish articles, which we do/have done at the LBPE.

Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Facundo on Feb 15th, 2012, 11:09am

I keep a backup of the 17 zip files. But I do not have internet access at the moment, just logged from my cell-phone.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by AlyceWatson on Feb 15th, 2012, 4:10pm

I wouldn't consider a move to an active website from a dead one to be republishing. The URL isn't an important consideration, is it?
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Stefan Pendl on Feb 15th, 2012, 4:19pm

The URL is not a problem at all, the content is important.

A rewrite might just be a way to polish things up a bit.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tooanalytical on Jul 8th, 2014, 11:12pm

The top section of the site is a listing of individual newsletters but the site holding them is not in operation; but the archive links of the same listing shown on the bottom act as workable download links to zip files for each article. The downloading apparently works. The newsletters then are still available if desiring to download them.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by thejoecole on Apr 28th, 2017, 8:35pm

Does anyone happen to have the last three archived newsletters? I attempted to access them all through http://web.archive.org/web/20110202221915/http://jbasicnews.com/, but #15, #16, and #17 are no longer available.

Thanks,
Joe



Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Facundo on Apr 28th, 2017, 9:33pm

I think I have them. I'm on my phone right now, so I can't check.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tooanalytical on Apr 29th, 2017, 12:45am

on Apr 28th, 2017, 8:35pm, thejoecole wrote:
Does anyone happen to have the last three archived newsletters? I attempted to access them all through http://web.archive.org/web/20110202221915/http://jbasicnews.com/, but #15, #16, and #17 are no longer available.

Thanks,
Joe




As an alternative, look at the Wiki for Just Basic, which has a link at the bottom of the forum's main page.

I wish someone would resume writing and publishing a JB newsletter. Activity on the forum is very low recently, so very little chance that anyone skillful enough will take the lead for this.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by thejoecole on Apr 29th, 2017, 10:13am

Tooanalytical,

I know the JB Wiki has a few things and the LB Wiki has a lot more. Just thought I'd glean as much background information I can for my own personal "library" as a reference. It's amazing the amount of info I can pull up with the wikis and forums (most of which is above my skill level).

Regards,
Joe
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by Facundo on Apr 29th, 2017, 11:06am

I have uploaded them to the Files Site:
JB Newsletters #15 #16 #17
I can't remember is these were already available at the Wiiki, in any case I would say that these files are available temporary.

About the low activity, it is normal for all the forums, except sports related forums. All of them had decayed a little, some forums are not more online. We are lucky. Social networks took over. But we are still here.
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by thejoecole on Apr 29th, 2017, 2:17pm

Thanks Facundo,

I have all 17 archived issues now!
grin

Regards,
Joe
Re: Official Just BASIC Newsletter - dead?
Post by tooanalytical on Apr 30th, 2017, 12:02am

on Apr 29th, 2017, 11:06am, Facundo wrote:
I have uploaded them to the Files Site:
JB Newsletters #15 #16 #17
I can't remember is these were already available at the Wiiki, in any case I would say that these files are available temporary.

About the low activity, it is normal for all the forums, except sports related forums. All of them had decayed a little, some forums are not more online. We are lucky. Social networks took over. But we are still here.

I can't say I've much/any experience with social networks, but a technical discussion forum like ours seems unsuitable for a social network thing to substitute for it(the forum). JB conforum lets us choose a category in which to put a topic for discussion, and we can see the basic forum outline from the home-page; and we can pick link downward from any main board or forum and find what category we want to review.